Interview with Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson, chatting about how keto differs for women, what happens IN the body when women eat keto, why food quality is more important than calories, our new secret project, and so much more.
This content might look familiar to some of you. I recorded this episode on Facebook and Instagram live a couple of weeks ago because I wanted you to meet today’s guest sooner rather than later… yep, she’s just THAT awesome.
I’ve been working hard on my brand new project, and today’s guest is a big part of it. This project is bigger than anything I’ve ever done, and it was dreamed up and designed with love when I first started the ketogenic diet all those years ago.
The best part? Next month, it’s going LIVE!
I am so happy to finally share the news with you, and for you to meet Dr. Nina, a woman who is deeply passionate about helping others. It was important for me to find the perfect fit for this project — a naturopathic medical doctor who could not only verify the science behind keto, but also break it down in a way that would be approachable and usable for everyone.
I should probably stop gushing so we can get to the podcast episode, but I mean, can you blame me? This is going to be huge!
… Listen to find out WHAT this project is and the potential it has to change everything for you.
In today’s podcast, I chat with our guest Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson, naturopathic medical doctor, keto enthusiast, dedicated practitioner, and the smartest person I know. No joke. She can legit answer just about any health or life question I send her way.
This episode is all about how women’s needs differ from men’s needs on keto, why keto isn’t enough, why food quality is ALWAYS more important than the calories, my not so secret project, and more.
Let’s get to the interview!
For podcast transcript, scroll down.
Show Notes + Links
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- What happens when a woman changes to eating keto (37:26)
- How women’s needs differ from men’s needs (41:23)
- Why keto flu happens (46:06)
- Why the types of calories matter more than the amount of calories (54:50)
- The biological reason behind carb ups (1:00:04)
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Transcript for This Episode
Leanne Vogel: You’re listening to Episode Number 76 of The Keto Diet Podcast. Today, we’re chatting about what happens in the body when women eat keto, how women’s needs differ from men’s needs when it comes to a ketogenic diet, why food quality is more important than calories, always, the biological reason women thrive on carb ups, plus the mega project that’s been keeping us crazy busy over the last 12 months, and a behind-the-scenes look at it all, so stay tuned.
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Hey, guys. Happy Sunday. It’s Episode 76 and, in fact, if you guys were live with us on Instagram and Facebook, we’ve recorded this episode live for the very first time. This is a Healthful Pursuit new thing that we’re trying. I’m really excited to come out with this episode. We’re going to be chatting about a bunch of really fun things.
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Okay. We got two announcements for you today. The first is that we have just launched a thing that we’re calling Keto Favorites. I’ve been receiving a lot of messages asking about product recommendations, so I compiled a resource on HealthfulPursuit.com with all of my favorite keto products, books, supplements, tools, you name it.
You guys can check it out at HealthfulPursuit.com/favorites and stay tuned because I’ll be adding to the list. Each individual item includes recipes, how-to guides, videos. It’s pretty epic. It’s taken us months. Pretty excited about it.
The second announcement is that we are going to be talking about a little project, AKA ginormous project, we’ve been working on for the last four years and the solid last one year. It’s called Happy Keto Body. We’re going to be chatting about it a lot on today’s episode and really the guts behind it. If you want to be the first to know about it, you can go to HealthfulPursuit.com/member so you’re alerted as soon as it launches. It will be launching sometime in April and we’re pretty excited about it.
Our guest today is Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson. Dr. Nina obtained her bachelor’s degree in biology and biomedical science and went on to pursue a four-year doctorate, graduating as a naturopathic medical doctor. Nowadays, Dr. Nina focuses on botanical medicine, cancer support, Chinese medical techniques, and nutritional sciences to help patients achieve their health goals. Dr. Nina has worked with a diverse range of people from professional athletes, several currently in the Olympics right now, and Hollywood stars, to struggling homeless and recovering addicts. She has also worked in rural health settings, supporting nearly 4,000 people per year, the majority of whom were overweight and diabetic, trying to get healthy.
Dr. Nina also has a general family practice with a focus in healing gastrointestinal complaints, supporting individuals with cancer, balancing hormones, and assisting with weight loss. She currently assists almost 2,000 patients a year in a general family practice focusing on preventing health and treatment with nutrition, exercise, supplements, hormone balancing, toxicity removal, and optimizing nutrient status.
We’re going to be chatting about our newest digital program to hit Healthful Pursuit in April 2018. If you want to be one of the first to know, you can go to HealthfulPursuit.com/member so you’re alerted as soon as it launches. I’ll be asking Dr. Nina the five most common questions that keto women want to know, especially when it comes to our Healthful Pursuit community so you can get a taste of how amazing this woman really is.
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Okay. That was a mouthful. Thanks for coming on the show, Dr. Nina.
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: Thanks for having me.
Leanne Vogel: For listeners that may not be familiar with your work, why don’t you start off by telling us a little bit about yourself?
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: Sure. I graduated from one of the few medical schools in the United States that actually incorporates both conventional or mostly pharmaceutical and surgical technique therapies as well as alternative, looking at supplements, diet, nutrition, Chinese medicine techniques. We graduate with the abilities to act as family doctors, really utilizing drugs and surgery when needed, but really trying to focus on a lot of the preventative or alternative diet and lifestyle supports as our primary go-to. There is of course a time and a place for conventional medicine and drugs and surgery, the stats are about 80 to 90% of disease can be prevented and treated with diet and lifestyle alone. That’s where I try to focus most of my time.
Leanne Vogel: You graduated, you’re fresh-faced, bushy-tailed, why do you do the work that you do now? What fuels you to put out the work that you do?
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: Great question. You know, I think a lot of it has to do with the struggles the healthcare system is having. Again, doctors are absolutely not bad people, it’s just the medical institutions, the medical schools, don’t unfortunately guide doctors on how health is impacted by diet and nutrition and lifestyle choices. There are maybe small inferences that stress might play a role here or there, but not classes to sit down and say exactly how impactful an unhealthy gut or imbalanced hormone or stress is in your life. You know, the challenge I think comes for me when we get very reductionistic and we start taking patients and tell them what but not why. That’s my goal in life.
I’ll tell you a quick story. I recently had a lovely patient. She’s an amazing woman and she’s having some dermatological concerns, so I sent her to a dermatologist. You know, specialists are great at helping us look at things. She had recurring hives. She came back to me and she was so excited. She said, “Guess what! We have a diagnosis.” I said, “That’s amazing. Tell me.” She says, “I have idiopathic chronic urticaria.” I said, “Okay. Do you know what that means?” She says, “Well, yeah, it’s my diagnosis.” I said, “Okay. Let me break it down. Idiopathic means we have no idea why. Chronic means it’s lasting greater than six weeks. Urticaria means hives. We just referred you out unfortunately so derm could tell us you have unknown hives lasting for a long time.”
It’s frustrating, right? Again, there’s so much we don’t know and medicine is getting so complex. People are extremely sick. You know, my job is, yes, it’s nice to have a label to your condition or symptom, but for me, it’s why do you have that in the first place. That is my job. It’s a lot of detective work, but the only true way in my opinion to really heal and prevent.
Leanne Vogel: Yeah. Amazing. I totally agree with you. I see that all the time in the keto space and things just not lining up and people getting really frustrated. It’s so nice to know, because I know when I was dealing with amenorrhea and all my hormone issues and I go to doctor to doctor to doctor and nobody would even care, it’s nice to know that there are still doctors like Dr. Nina out there really hustling it and trying to help this broader community that’s searching for answers and getting really frustrated with standard methods of care.
Before we get into all the things about why keto and why doing keto isn’t enough if you want to attain this health and wellness and this balance, maybe people are wondering, “How do you guys know each other? Where did you meet? What’s your story?” I don’t know if we actually have a story. It’s funny. My sister is friends with their friends and then we ended up clicking. I think our first interaction is when you came over for dinner for the first time, wasn’t it?
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: I think, you know what? It was when we went out and our first dinner was like double date was like four hours at a restaurant. We couldn’t stop talking.
Leanne Vogel: It was like, “Blah, blah, blah,” and, “blah, blah, blah.” It was so great. We just kept ordering tapas, yeah, it was a tapas restaurant. Then we’re like, “Okay, next time you guys have to come over because we can’t stay at a restaurant for four hours.” Then it was like that constantly. We just really jived and it just made sense. I think it’s so rare to find fellow individuals that you jive with, like that sense of community and knowing that you’re on the same page. Nina knows a lot of things that I don’t know.
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: And visa versa.
Leanne Vogel: It’s been so great to also learn from her and see things in a different way that I hadn’t before.
Let’s get into the whole topic of this podcast episode, again, it will be going live on March 11th. Why keto isn’t enough and the things we see and really we were wracking our brains about what to call this episode last night, sitting with bellies full of barbecue and Mediterranean food, trying to figure out what to call this.
I think throughout recording Happy Keto Body, it will be launching in April. We’re really hustling and we’re thinking, “What’s the main thing? What do we keep talking about in the videos and outside of the videos?” It’s that your macros are a very, very small portion of the entire keto pie. Unfortunately, a lot of the programs and services and blog posts and everything out there is like if it fits your macros, you’ll have success. Time and time again, we see that in my practice, in your practice, that that’s just not enough. That is not enough. What have you seen?
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: Absolutely, Leanne. I mean, keto is an enormous step to getting your health in the right direction. There’s no doubt about that. When we remove a lot of the junk from our diet, when we get clean meat, when we get the sugar out, it’s a huge piece and a very important one, but I think that if we ignore the rest of what makes up health, we’re just thinking as reductionistic as some of other modalities in medicine.
It’s a huge starting point, but we need to take into account stress. I’ll give you a couple of stories. I had a patient years ago and she was following keto and living a pretty healthy life, really trying to remove toxins and exercise. We couldn’t get psoriasis more than 50% better despite trying all the tricks that I know. I saw her after working with her a while and she’d come back in thank me. She said, “I just want to say thank you. It was amazing. I’m so much better.” I said, “You’re welcome but I could only really help 50% so I don’t know that I feel I did everything.” She showed me her knees, which she had really bad psoriasis on them. They were 100% clear.
I said, “Okay. I give. What did it? I want to know, obviously.” She told me literally she had quit her job and downsized a little bit. She was a little bit financially stressed from the home was living in, a little above her needs and means, and just started walking to work. In an environment that she was less stressed, super happy, her psoriasis cleared.
This is not an uncommon story for me. I work with Olympians, I had a professional snowboarder who hit a tree, bad trauma. She was okay, but came to me because her guts just weren’t right after this accident. She didn’t have any abdominal injuries, at least sustained in that accident. We started talking about what it could be. You know, it was crazy to me and it was a huge lesson for me too, but at that point, from that trauma, she became gluten-intolerant. Super weird. It’s something I wouldn’t have ever honestly thought of, but it happens. Our life circumstances absolutely influence our health and they will change through time. It’s how good is your gut doing? How balanced are your hormones? How much stress are you under? How are you sleeping? Yes, diet. Yes, yes, yes, but you see it’s not as simple as it’s often presented.
Leanne Vogel: Yeah, never. When it is presented simply, I’m like, “No, that’s not a thing.” I mean, I can speak from my own experience of when I went keto, there were a lot of awesome things that happened in those first six months. I lost a lot of weight. I lost a lot of body fat. I was able to go off my ADD meds. There was some massive changes happening, but there were also a lot of not so awesome changes. I was losing hair. I wasn’t sleeping. I was obsessed with every single morsel. I was doing the classic keto, I was doing what all the people said. I read all the books at the time. I did tons of research. I was like, “If I just do the right thing, then I’ll be good. If I’m not getting the right results, then clearly it’s because I’m doing something wrong and I just need to try harder.”
In the case of my sleep and I wasn’t building muscle, I thought, “Okay, if I work out harder, I’ll build more muscle and then I’ll sleep better because I’ll be more tired.” That continued and continued to the point where I was so panicked and stressed about my macros and my training I would hide in the pantry calculating out how much broccoli I could have and if that aligned to my macros.
I would have panic attacks when I would eat over my carb amount by five grams, thinking that I was doing something wrong. It wasn’t until I looked at keto as a holistic approach where things started falling into place. I got my period back after eight years of amenorrhea and my moods stabilized a lot. I was able to build muscle, and I was able to have all those normal woman things.
We talk about that also in the program of how your period is a really important thing. I think too standard medicine, I’m sure, have you seen this? People lose their period or their period is not normal and they go to a doctor and the doctor’s like, “Well, do you want to get pregnant?” They say no. They say, “Well, what’s the big deal? Who cares?” A period for women is kind of like the best test to know whether or not you’re healthy. There’s so much more to it.
We were chatting about this right before this, even though your period comes every month, it may also still be unhealthy because of the cycle changes. If it’s 37 days, then 28 days, and then 32 days and sometimes it’s light, sometimes it’s heavy, sometimes the blood is different colors, all these things matter. Have you seen that in your practice?
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we women are so complex. I don’t think I need to tell anybody out there that, but we’re also very fortunate that we have these other ways to really tune into our body to see, “Are we on the right track? Is this working? Are we healthy?” Yeah, it’s frustrating to me when the only solution often offered to women is, “Well, that’s fine. Just don’t worry about it,” or, “Here, have some birth control pills. See you later.” You know, I’m not really okay with that, knowing there are so many more things that we can do to support healthy hormones because it is absolutely vital to a healthy you.
Leanne Vogel: Let’s talk about research. That’s something we’ve been talking about a lot over the last week is research. You’ll find people like today that will say saturated fat is bad or saturated fat is good or you should eat keto as a woman, you shouldn’t, it will break your thyroid. How do we know what research is good research, Nina? Big question.
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: Yeah, huge question. It is a challenge. I mean, I could start by simply saying that I am medically trained to understand a lot of what is in research. Even for me, I really have to dig to understand if what is being presented, particularly the conclusions, if you get an abstract, is actually what the study was showing as a result. One example for me to display is that a lot of statistics are presented as absolute instead of relative risk. What that means is that, you know, if a drug say reduces your risk of getting some disease from 10% down to 5%, you then you could say that of course 5% is 50% of 10%. Well, this drug works 50% of the time instead of the actual number of 5% of the time. You can see how numbers can be manipulated to make outcomes seem more beneficial to the people who are reading the study.
Another huge concern, and I think a lot of people are aware of this nowadays, is the funding that goes on behind the scenes of a research study. You know, it takes hundreds of millions of sometimes billion dollars to bring a drug to market. Again, I don’t think all drugs are bad. There is absolutely a time and a place for them, but I do think that with that kind of money on the table, it might be possible to tinker with results a little bit or display them to look a little better this way or use this statistical analysis to make it show like this when it’s really maybe like this.
There’s a lot of practices that happen to research that really make a lot of confusing mess about it. It’s a challenge. I mean, it’s absolutely a challenge. We have really tried through this program to make sure our research is super clean, double-backed, as best as we can find. Then we also spent some time talking to you guys. Specifically when you’re doing research, how can you look for the real stuff and how can you maybe scope out what might be pretty bogus?
Leanne Vogel: Because there’s a lot of bogus out there. We’ve just had like zero sleep over the last five days. I am amazed I’m still standing, and my hair looks okay, and that I put on makeup today.
I think a big part of the conversation and something I noticed through all of our recordings and everything we kept reiterating and new and different ways in each video was stress and how much stress we put on ourselves and how that impacts. You guys know when you’re stressed, you’re not registering as many ketones. When you’re stressed, you can’t lose weight. Stress is such a huge piece. As us being maxed out, I can tell over these last five days, my body hurts more, I’m not as hungry because I’m just tired. I don’t want to eat. What have you seen with stress in the body, women specifically, and that impact? It’s really a big conversation in keto because we are ketogenic women trying to bust through life and be lady bosses. It can really get in the way of that. What have you seen?
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: It’s another challenging area for sure. Stress, it’s absolutely real. It absolutely alters biochemistry in intense ways. I have seen so many patients over the years only be able to get so far, like I mentioned with the story of the gal with psoriasis.
There is absolutely very commonly times when stress will inhibit our full potential or in fact cause frank disease on its own. You know, the biggest challenge with stress is it increases cortisol, which is our stress hormone. It’s great if it’s intermittent. It keeps us alive. It keeps us running so we don’t get hit by a car, eaten by a bear. That’s awesome. When it’s chronic, then we get these increased levels of cortisol all the time, we become insulin desensitized. That means that when cortisol is up, more insulin is secreted, and we store more food as fat so we gain weight. We get inflamed.
Stress causes what’s called inflammatory cytokines. These are these proteins that increase in our body and literally make us hurt. You heard Leanne say that she’s feeling it. We’ve been pushing pretty hard. It’s true. It’s real. This is very real. This is not just made up stuff. It can get as extreme as causing reduced stomach acid so you don’t break food down as much. If stress continues, you can literally give yourself an ulcer, eat through a hole in your stomach lining. It’s very real and needs to be incorporated. If you find yourself not being able to stay in ketosis, you have to step back and take a look and say, “Am I trying to be Wonder Woman?” We do this as women. It’s so tough. We’re like, “No, I got this. I’ve got the kids. I’ll pick them up. I’ll go to work and I’ll come home and I’ll make dinner. I’ll do this and then get the laundry done.”
Leanne Vogel: I’m tired just you saying that.
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: We all do it. I think we all need to learn to say no. I talk about it a million times in the video. It’s hard and I get it. I have a little one and a big practice. I get it. We can’t be everything to everybody. I think we do need to incorporate that into our health journey.
Leanne Vogel: Yes. I don’t know if you guys have been following me for a little while. You know that we did house renovations about two years ago now. This was two years into me eating keto. I had a pretty good handle on things. I pretty much knew how my body did keto. The renos are happening and I’m getting more stressed, there came a point where the contractor came to us with an additional bill that we weren’t planning on. It was a lot of money. Our house was completely ripped apart. We didn’t have a bedroom. We were living in our dining room. It was a total hot mess. We had no way to pay this. Our house was totally ripped apart. The stress, the insurmountable stress. It was so much stress. No matter what I ate, what I did, what I thought, my ketones were nil. I was craving carbs. I was a total wreck. I was missing my period. It just became such a hot mess. This was a huge wake up.
I actually did a video like a crying video. I was in my car just bawling because I had eaten all of the carbs. I just finished this huge binge. I was like, I”’m going to jump on Instagram because we, even as practitioners that look like we have photographers take pictures of us and our hair is all done and we look so happy and put together, but we struggle too.” That was really a driving force and has been a driving force for Healthful Pursuit. I’m sure your position as well is we struggle too.
Stress is such a big part of that. It wasn’t until that moment of just binging on all the foods, being so frustrated, feeling like my body wasn’t on my side and how dare my body. “I’ve been so good to you. I’ve figured out this keto thing. Why is this happening?” There’s so much more than just taking the kids to soccer practice and doing the dinners. It can be stress of having dietary stress and relationship stress and just so much stress that we don’t even think.
That was a huge piece to me. A lot of the things that I’ve struggled with as a woman and what I see women struggle with, we’ve put in the program in a way that highlights all the different ways that women specifically can stress themselves out. I’m very good at it. I’m very good at stressing myself out.
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: I think we all are. I don’t think that we’re alone in this journey. It’s hard. There’s lots of modern challenges. There’s always been challenges on women.
You know, a long time ago, I was in New Zealand. I was young. I was 20 years old. I remember sitting down with a friend of mine’s dad. He looked at me and said, “You know, don’t get me wrong. I’m all for women’s rights, but I have absolutely no idea how the world expects you women to do everything.” I didn’t get it, right, because I was young. I was like, “I can do it. Yah!”
It’s like, okay, I get it now. Not that our mothers and grandmothers didn’t have a very hard job dealing with taking care of a family. I mean, my gosh, it’s incredibly hard. Every aspect has a challenge in balancing it. It just has to be a piece of really looking at our health outcome and how to improve where we’re at.
Leanne Vogel: Okay, my next question before we get to the five most popular questions that women have as keto women is something we’ve been talking about a lot lately. How do you find the protocol that’s right for you? This is kind of a trick question of like what do I do? Just give me 10 things that I need to do right now to be happy and healthy and awesome and thin and great. What do I do? What program is that? How much is it? Thoughts?
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: You’re full of good challenging questions.
Leanne Vogel: Surprise.
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: This is the joy of being live. Here’s my foundational statement that I say to every single human being that walks into my practice. It’s that nothing works for everybody. That includes drugs. That includes nutritional supplements. That includes diet. That includes sleep techniques. We are so complex and so individual. I mean, we get into a lot or a bit of DNA, anyway, in the program. Even that in itself, your blueprint of what made you up is a piece of at least what medical and physical attributes you will move toward. Not to say that the epigenetic or the lifestyle and diet modifications don’t play a role in your genes, because they play a huge role, but you also are predetermined to present certain ways.
That’s a piece of it. It would be simple. I think we’d have ultimate health if it just was like everybody needs to do this diet and eat like this and avoid these things and practice these habits every day.
I mean, there’s certain things we know to be true for everybody. Reduce stress. Great. That’s easy. Easier said than done, but an easy recommendation. What does that mean for you? Is that a yin yoga class? Is that tai chi? Is that meditation? I think we have good data that all of those are close to equal in stress reduction and decreasing inflammation. We can actually measure that now. We pull blood and we can look for these inflammatory cytokines, which is super cool because we actually have a way to physically show us from a scientific way that these things reduce inflammation. That’s great.
When it comes to keto and any other diet, we can’t say that this is perfect for everybody. I can say that if you get sugar out, you pay attention to food quality, you’re not eating at fast food a lot, if you’re incorporating a lot of alkaline veggies, you’re probably on a really, really good path to supporting yourself, but maybe you have a lectin sensitivity or there’s issues with FODMAPs, these specific dietary problems that may be for you completely relevant but for another person, not relevant at all.
It’s a challenge. We want to be able to give you just, “Hey, here’s a plan that works for everybody. Go.” It’s not that simple. We did our best to try and outline a lot of the common concerns so you could kind of hone in on, “Hey, this is me. Fast forward, this isn’t me,” and really trying to make it yours.
Leanne Vogel: Something that I’ve found the most powerful thing and something you will too if you haven’t already is like once you know your body, that is the secret. There is no program. There is no step one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Your body is that program. Your body is that book and it’s constantly changing. The ketogenic diet I practiced a year ago is not the one that I practice today. I fast a lot more now than I did two years ago because my hormones are in a different place. I don’t find I need that. I find that I really like eating at night as opposed to during the day. Last year, that was not a thing. If I were following a program, dictating fast here, don’t fast there, do this, don’t do that, I wouldn’t be able to hone in on that.
Throughout Happy Keto Body and every time we have conversations, it’s really about here are the tools you can use to understand the book that is your body, that underlying program that tells you if you have the right tools to connect to that and then to constantly connect to it over and over and over again. Like I said, it will change. Once your inflammation goes down, you might not need more anti-inflammatory foods. Then, all of a sudden, your foods change because your inflammation’s gone down and maybe you can handle more nuts and seeds where you couldn’t before. If a program’s saying “No,” then you’re not going to do that thing and you can’t continue to evolve.
I think from my perspective is if you tap into that source that is your body, it becomes a lot more easier to understand it. I think that’s where a lot of the problems come from is just people saying, “I have the answer. Do these 10 things and you’ll be healthy.” It’s like, no, that doesn’t even make any sense. I think that was a big driving force, especially for me, through all this is providing you with the tools that I’ve seen my clients use, that I see you guys using to tap into that source that is your body so that you can have that tool at your disposal forever and ever.
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: Yeah. I just want to say I want to use the word that you just used, Leanne, evolve or an evolution because it is a moving target, especially for us women. I think this is where the specifics come in. Our bodies change so much day to day, but really month to month, and especially as we move from prepubescent stage into our adulthood stage and then into perimenopause and menopause. Our bodies change in incredible ways, which some are wonderful, a lot of them are wonderful. A lot of them are challenging for a lot of women, but there needs to be a space to really support you through those transitions. What works for you in your 20s probably isn’t going to work in your 50s. That’s okay. You just need to be aware of it and say, “Okay, here’s where I’m at now. New chapter in life. Let’s roll with it.”
Leanne Vogel: Let’s do it. One of the interviews we did for Happy Keto Body and maybe, I don’t think you know this yet, but one of the doctors we had on as a specialist where we talk deep about menopause, because it is such a hot topic in keto right now and also for you guys, is she referenced menopause and perimenopause and the stage of being like you’re in a cocoon right now. With butterflies, if you help the butterfly out of the cocoon, they actually won’t be able to fly properly. Really allowing them that time to just be in the cocoon and the process of them getting out of this cocoon can take I think a couple of days. It is a process to get out of this thing.
Then, once they do, they’re this beautiful butterfly. I love that analogy of seeing this is an amazing time for you to transition. That’s something we also touched on quite a lot in the program because I know that when menopause is lurking, you’re thinking like, “I’m going to gain all this weight. I can’t eat. Even when I think about food, I’m going to gain weight. My body is changing. What do I do?” I would love to flip the story around to be like, “You’re turning into a butterfly and you’re going to be beautiful. Let’s figure out how we can nourish yourself during this cocoon time so that you can blossom into this brand new being.” I mean, after working on the menopause stuff, I’m actually looking forward to this next phase of my life. Is that weird to say? I really want to be a butterfly.
Seriously! Okay. I want to jump in to the mega five questions that we get all the time when it comes to keto for women and kind of pick Nina’s brain a little bit more so you can see how amazing she is if you don’t already notice just how great she is.
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What happens to a woman’s body when we change to eating keto? What’s going on there?
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: You know, the basic principle when we’re using a ketogenic diet is to move away from the cellular energy source being glucose, which is of course derived from sugar, but also comes from carbohydrates. When we take that away and we really only eat some very low-carb say vegetables as well as a lot of healthy fats and proteins, we devoid the sugar and so we shift our body into a whole new way of using metabolic nutrients to fuel our daily lives. When we’re in ketosis, the mitochondria, which are like our little engines inside our cells, particularly in the liver, they will start utilizing fats to make ketones. You’ve got three main types of ketones that your body creates and so your body can use these as fuel just as well as it did glucose. There’s few exceptions, red blood cells and a couple areas in the brain, but other than that, your body can use it.
The advantage is that so many people are insulin-resistant nowadays and blood sugar is just cranking up and down, we’re gaining weight, we’re tired, we’re cranky, we’re hangry. When we take that away, we really stabilize the blood sugar so that it can balance us out through our days. We should be able to feel more energy. We should be able to not need to eat every couple hours or we’re starving. The advantage as well is that there is some research saying that the brain actually prefers ketones. That’s pretty neat.
When we’re looking at things like Alzheimer’s, brain cancers, there’s some really growing body of evidence saying that this really is a diet we need to look into. It’s going to crank up your antioxidants. It’s going to reduce your inflammation. It’s going to make your brain happy so you think better. I think there’s a lot backing this diet as a way to really achieve optimal health.
Leanne Vogel: May I just say that I don’t know when we recorded this video, but I know that it’s called Metabolism Biochemistry and Nina went through exactly what happens in the body from the mouth all the way down and what’s happening. I think that that was so helpful. I studied this, I remember learning metabolism biochemistry in school like a decade ago and being like, “How’s a what uh?” I remember piecing it together and I don’t totally understand. What’s a duodenum again and how’s that impact glucose? I just couldn’t get it. Nina, you did such a great job of pulling that all together to explain what’s happening to our bodies when we’re eating keto and even just eating. Do you know that your saliva actually starts breaking down carbohydrates a bit and that the minute it touches your tongue, sugar, your insulin is going up?
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: And not just sugar, anything sweet.
Leanne Vogel: Yeah, okay!
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: Like aspartame or even stevia. I hate to say it, although I don’t mind a bit of it, but as soon as sweet touches your tongue, your body produces insulin. You don’t even need to swallow it for your biochemical reactions to start cranking up. It’s complex. It’s not a simple combination of biochemical influences, but I think we did our best to try in the videos really go through every single one of the processes, which I know we don’t have time to do today.
Leanne Vogel: Do you guys have like 500 hours?
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: I’ll spare you that. Hopefully that gave you a little bit of an idea of what ketones are and how the body can run on them efficiently.
Leanne Vogel: The next big conversation, why keto isn’t enough, is let’s talk about how men are different than women on keto and just in general.
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: I think we know a lot of the general things. I touched on it a little bit previously in the fact that we women are so very much influenced by our hormones. I’m not saying that men aren’t because they are as well, but our hormone fluctuations are quite more frequent and can cause a lot more symptomology than what a lot of men do experience with hormones.
I think the other thing that we often forget is that women are affected by disease a lot differently. That becomes really important when we’re touching on this holistic approach to keto. Yes, your diet’s important, but what does your immune system doing? We know that 75 to 80% of autoimmune disease is women. I don’t know… You can’t look at the immune system in men and women the same when you know that a certain population is much more prone to a specific condition. We need to get on top of that. We need to make sure that women’s bodies are not switching on that autoimmune pathology and starting to create antibodies against self.
I mean, autoimmune diseases are super destructive. I mean, they’re destructive. They’re challenges to deal with. If we can look at a woman and say, “Hey, I just know by your gender you’re more predestined to these conditions, let’s make sure your guts are good. Let’s make sure you’re not having excessive exposure to mercury or other toxins that could stimulate an immune response. How’s your microbiome?” What are these things doing because we know that they behave quite differently.
This becomes true as well when it comes to drugs. That’s something else to keep in mind. We actually just saw, for example, a statin study come out. There’s lots of controversy on statin. We get that in the videos as well. A study just came out done on women, which was actually the first one that really showed what statins in women do. The bad news was they didn’t play well, really.
There was a lot of problems, a side effect profile went up significantly. There was a couple patients who had what they had been diagnosed with as early dementia or what we call mild cognitive impairment. It was a statin side effect. That’s scary. Again, I’m not saying this can’t happen to men, but we need to know. Again, there’s a time and a place for it. If you’re a woman who is overweight and you’ve already had a heart attack and you’re not willing to follow ketogenic principles and change your life and exercise, I’m going to put you on a statin all day long because it will reduce your risk of another heart attack, not by a lot, but it will.
If you’re a woman who hasn’t had a cardiovascular accident and you’re following keto and you’re exercising and you’re low-stress and maybe your cholesterol is a little bit up, am I really going to put you on statin? There’s other factors to look and other tests to run. I can’t say for sure yes or no, but I’m going to do a heck of a lot more digging now that I’ve seen that research. Maybe in our female population, we need to think twice before we intervene in certain ways.
Leanne Vogel: We woke up what time, 5:00 this morning, to record all the hormone videos. Well, the sex hormone videos. Did we do adrenals and thyroid yesterday? Was that yesterday?
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: It’s been a whirlwind.
Leanne Vogel: I know we did it. We did it yesterday. Adrenal and thyroid was yesterday. Sex hormones were today. My video kept giving high testosterone, low testosterone, high progesterone, low progesterone, and really going through because it’s different for everyone. Something that I struggled with was like all my hormones were really, really low and then some hormones got way too high. Some hormones were in the middle. How do you play around with this with a body that’s constantly changing? It really comes down to sometimes, most of the times, it’s not just about the hormones. Let’s stop looking. That was a big thing and something you just touched on. It’s your immune system. It’s your gut. It’s your stress. It’s your relationships. It’s so much more than just macros and focusing on one whole piece of it.
That’s why going back 10 years of why I chose holistic nutrition over other forms of nutrition to learn, it’s like if you eat food and it affects your body, then what does a really bad boyfriend do? That is a real thing. What is it doing to my body? That’s part of that holistic conversation.
Many of the people listening and probably watching today on our live video are beyond keto flu, but I’d love to touch on why does keto flu happen. What are the processes taking place on keto flu?
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: I mean, I think, Leanne, as you just said, most of the people hanging out out there have a pretty good idea of keto. They probably already been through this. Maybe they were lucky enough not to experience it, but it is something I guess we really wanted to flesh out so that it’s not so scary. It happens a lot. It happens any time we make major changes to the diet. Even I’ve seen patients go into what we would term as basically flu, not keto, but on an allergy-elimination diet.
Any time we’re drastically changing the diet and taking out a lot of the junk, you can see it happen, but it does seem to be a little more prevalent on the ketogenic diet. I think there’s two things to keep in mind here.
One, something that I have to admit was a bit of a shock to most of us doctors and a lot of the medical community was that sugar behaves in the brain exactly like a drug. When you eat sugar, it literally stimulates these dopamine and serotonin responses the same as if you were to abuse a recreational drug. We now know that based on functional MRI imaging where we can give people sugar and watch what areas light up in their brain. We can compare that to what happens when they use street drugs. It’s a true addiction. I really think that that in itself we need to detox off of. It is a detoxification just as anybody coming off of addiction to drugs and alcohol would need to go through. It’s understandable that you feel really, really poor, particularly if you have been eating a diet extremely high in processed carbs and sugar. I think that’s one piece of the puzzle.
The other issue, which breaks my heart as to where our earth has gone and what is going on for us human beings, but toxins and the environmental medicine end piece here is very real. Chemicals and toxins are rampant. We store a lot of toxins in our fat cells because it’s a safe place. The body’s smart. It knows that you can’t just have toxins floating around in the bloodstream, that’s not going to work for the brain. It’s not going to work for the cardiovascular system.
The body says, “Okay. All right. They’re here. I can’t process them fast enough. Shove them in fat cells. They’ll be safe there,” which is all good and fine until you start losing weight. Of course, a lot of people when they start keto drop a lot of weight, especially in that first month. You see an 8 to a 12 pound drop in a lot of people. What that means is that you’re shrinking these fat cells and you’re releasing the contents.
If that fat cell happened to be full of stored mercury or PCBs, that’s going to go into your bloodstream and you are going to feel the ill effects of those toxins trying to work their way out of your body. It is a concern. There are ways to reduce it and mitigate it and we really try to get into those in the video, but it is a real thing. It’s not just in your head. The simple tips of drinking a lot of water and electrolyte replacement, these are all really important things because you just need to flush, flush, flush, and then having a lot of support.
We talked today actually about warning your spouse when you’re making these big changes. The conversation came up this morning that I absolutely like a guy’s maybe not always the best at guessing what’s going on in our bodies and brains. Fair enough. Just saying, “Hey, here’s what’s going on. I’m sorry if I’m kind of evil for the next week or so, but I’m doing this and hopefully you can support me.” Then if you have the right support system around you, it’s going to make a heck of a lot of difference in your success rate.
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We were just chatting about keto flu and the process of that. The toxicity is a really big point because not a lot of people talk about toxicity in keto flu. It’s something that we really covered that, you remember that bonus material we made, the reducing your toxic load?
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: It didn’t take any time at all to make.
Leanne Vogel: No, not at all. That’s not a thing, not a thing at all!
Also, somebody on Instagram earlier was asking about testing. Although it doesn’t really fall into keto flu, sometimes people get keto flu and they’re worried they’re dying. That was me. I thought I was dying. In Happy Keto Body, we talk a lot about testing. That’s kind of like the main piece of the puzzle. If people can’t afford it, we also give alternatives.
The most exciting thing, and I wasn’t planning on telling you guys, but this is really great and I’m pretty excited about it, we’ve actually partnered up with a lab for Happy Keto Body where you guys can order your own blood work, urine, stool analysis. Can we chat just a little bit about this? I know we weren’t going to, but I think this is such a big deal and something that will only be available to Happy Keto Body members. This is huge. Thoughts? Do you want to add to the conversation?
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: “I just got to tell them!”
Yeah. As Leanne said, we were very fortunate to be able to partner up with a lab. Unfortunately, this is only for US citizens and there are a few states that it does not include, but this lab will allow you the ability to order and get results of your own blood test. Super exciting, right? I hear this all the time. Either, “I don’t have a family doctor.” I mean, we know the insurance challenges in the states. Or, “My family doctor not willing to run hormone panels or not willing to run a Free T3 or Free T4 to really look at my thyroid.” I hear it all the time. Now we’re going to be able to offer you access to the labs that you want.
Through the program, you can make your own requisition, go to a conventional draw station, and then the labs will literally be put into a portal for you to view. That’s amazing. The other very cool part is they not only offer your typical conventional labs, they also offer a lot of the naturopathic labs, which is super cool. We can do adrenal saliva hormone or some break down urine tests that really show us the metabolites of estrogen. Say if you’ve got a family history of breast cancer and you’re worried about what your estrogen is doing, you can order that yourself. The review will be done by a medical doctor on staff and then delivered to you with reference ranges and any information that goes along with that lab. Pretty fantastic.
Leanne Vogel: Everyone is giving all the hearts right now on Instagram and Facebook. The really cool thing is we knew that having access to that wouldn’t be enough. How are you supposed to know what test to even choose? I mean, it was hard for me to navigate through that too. We went through every test that we would recommend. We put together an entire document that explains what this test is, why it’s important, who should use it, who shouldn’t. You’re not wasting your money either and putting together packages. If you have imbalanced hormones, there’s a package that does this and a package that does that to save you a bunch of money. That’s probably the most exciting part.
I mean, there’s so many exciting parts, but I wanted to bring that up because people were asking about testing and talking about how their adrenals and thyroid got worse on keto. We also talk about that and kind of myth-busting that. That really goes into question number five. We’re at number four now so hold tight.
Question number four, the most popular question that we get from keto women is: Why do the type of calories matter more than the amount of calories? That question also ties in with: Why is calorie restriction damaging? Because we’re coming from this ketogenic space of eat less, exercise more. It will be great. If you hit your macros, you’ll be fine. If it’s not working, just reduce your carb count. Maybe play around with your fat intake. Reduce your fat intake. Nina, thoughts on calories?
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: Yeah, it has been really interesting to kind of watch patients and the medical community try and deal with the ketogenic space because for so long we’ve been told of course fat is bad, it kills you, it gives you heart disease. In fact, the study in The Lancet, the peer study, just came out saying the exact opposite. You know, I think the safety data on keto is just getting grander and grander, which is wonderful. When it comes to the whole calorie issue, it’s an interesting debate. I think it’s easy to say, “I’m just going to cut my calories and calorie restriction works and yada yada,” but food is not food is not food and calories are not calories are not calories.
I mean, when we look at say a Snickers bar, an avocado, and a couple cups of oatmeal, I think they all come out to about 250 to 300 calories, but there is no way that those are the same nutrient densities presented to your body. You can’t eat an avocado and eat a Snickers bar and be like, “Well, I’m doing the same thing because it’s the same calories.” It’s not that way. I think we get really caught up in this whole calorie thing when it is a teeny piece of the puzzle.
The real issue is what are your calories coming from? What does your body do with those calories? How can it help build hormones, build and repair tissue, support your brain? I mean, sugar is simply not going to do that. An avocado is going to do a lot of good for you there. There’s a difference.
Something that we kind of touched on last night was the whole sugar-free thing. This is a challenge. I know in the keto space there’s a lot of this whole sugar-free jello, yay. It’s gelatine, yay.
Leanne Vogel: All the yays, none of the yays. It’s no yays.
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: It is gelatine. I’ll support you there. However, it is maltodextrin from probably GMO corn. It’s two or three different dye yellow, blue number whatever. It’s full of preservatives. It’s full of aspartame. You know, I touched on it a minute ago. We don’t have a lot of human studies on aspartame, but the mouse studies and rat studies, they’re not good.
We do know that when we look at people who drink like diet sodas, for example, they almost always tend to be more obese than their counterparts who were to drink regular sodas. I’m not saying it’s okay to go out there and switch to regular soda, because sugar’s a problem too, but we have to be very careful with chemicals. Any of these alternative sugars or most of them, anyway, are in fact chemicals. There’s a few exceptions. There’s that piece. We can’t also not talk about meat quality. It’s something we brought up time and time again.
Leanne Vogel: How quick can you say, “Grass-fed, grass-finished beef.” Okay. Go. How quick can you say that?
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: Yeah, it’s not in fact the same meat like at all. We have the research where we dissect out a grass-finished, grass-fed beef and a conventional feedlot beef. Literally, you would think in the research you’re looking at two different animals species but you’re not. Your omega ratio, you want to talk about inflammation, which we know is a culprit to every disease on the planet, when we put a cow in a feedlot, their omega-3 to omega-6 ratio changes, their conjugated linoleic acid levels are reduced, they get less vitamins and antioxidants in their meat.
You take that same cow and you put it on grass and they’re full of anti-inflammatory omega-6. They’re not full of all these pro-inflammatory concerns. No, I don’t buy that you can take a conventionally raised food, not to mention the antibiotics and hormones that are dumped into cattle, it’s a concern. It’s not the same as a really nice pasture-raised animal. It’s just completely different. The quality is much more important than calorie quantity.
Leanne Vogel: Awesome answer. Nina mentioned conjugated linoleic acid. That CLA is what helps us burn fat. That is a big part to the benefit of beef and butter and a lot of things. I think often times we think a fat is a fat and keto, but there’s so much more to it than that.
The last question that you guys had when it comes to keto for women and what we wanted to touch on today was: What is the biological reason for certain people to do carb ups? If you’re not familiar with a carb up, I’ll just explain really quickly if you’re new to the Healthful Pursuit community and you’re like, “Carb uh what uh now?”
Basically, a carb up is where, for a very brief period of time, usually in the evening, you increase your carbs and decrease the fat. On book tour, if you have joined us for the book tour, I make this big song and dance of this. I’m like, “Take out the fat. Put in the carbs.” I do this thing over and over so people see a carb up is a great way for your body to regulate a lot of hormones.
You’re also feeling a lot more natural in your eating style because on your birthday, you’re able to have cake. When you’re out with your girlfriends, maybe they order some pizza. That’s always my example because I guess I eat a lot of pizza with girlfriends. You can have some pizza. With this carb up, there are some people that shouldn’t do it, like perhaps people with PCOS or insulin dysregulation and things like that where that low-carb eating style is actually really, really important for their body and they need to stay there.
Then there’s other women, especially like us and maybe like you too, where having those carbs and having permission to have those carbs actually does the very thing we don’t want to do, which is overeating. I found when I wasn’t doing carb ups that I was actually eating more carbs and feeling more guilty and having more binges and just feeling miserable. I wanted to ask you: What is the biological reason that certain women respond best to carb ups now that you guys know what a carb up is?
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: Yeah. Thank you. That was a great overview. You definitely touched on some of the areas I talk to patients about when we’re trying to assess whether carb ups is an important practice to put into keto.
What I guess I would first say is that I don’t feel that carb ups should be practiced if you’re very new or you’re just starting your keto journey. I think you need to be really fat fueled or really stable on your ketogenic path. This may take a month. It may take even a little longer for you to know that you really got this, that you’re feeling good, that you’re stable, that you’re not moving in and out of ketosis, that you’re physically feeling well. That’s the first thing is we have to be careful doing carb ups too early.
Really, the reason is that we are trying to shift, as I mentioned earlier, from a glucose-fueled metabolic process to a ketone-fueled metabolic process. That will require the body to really only have one source to focus on until it’s very comfortable using the new way. It does have to switch a lot of what it does. I mean, when we look at these molecules, there’s specific biochemical pathways say glucose goes down, for example, to get to pyruvate, the end product, versus acetone, acetolactate, some of these ketones, they go through different pathways. Your body is really learning how to behave in a different environment. We need to give it that time to do it and not confuse it with, “Oh no. We’re going back. Oh, nope. We’re going here.” Give it that time. That’s first.
As far as carb ups go as to who may need them physiologically or biochemistry, there’s certain disease states where they would be good versus wouldn’t. You know, for example, autoimmune diseases is often a time when carb ups can actually inflame everything. This isn’t always. This just may be for the first six months or maybe a year while we’re working on healing your gut, which we get into a lot, removing toxins, reducing your stress. It’s, again, not simple. There’s a whole complex regime to make your body more tolerant of these things over time. That’s a piece. Also, your life situation. Are you already doing keto and you’re pregnant or you’re breastfeeding? You’re going to need more carbs, simply. That’s a good thing. We want to encourage you to do that. Breast milk takes hundreds of calories a day to make and it needs that extra carb. That’s not a problem. I mean, that’s a good thing.
You know, the third thing is an athletic. I think that when we are utilizing a lot of the background energy, we have to be careful that we aren’t going to sort of stimulate GNGNG, which is gluconeogenesis. We maybe start consuming muscle tissue because they body doesn’t have enough protein. It needs more nutrients to fuel up your body. You know, if you’re a big runner or other athlete, you need to be really aware of that and cognizant of that piece of it.
You know, the final thing I guess is what Leanne mentioned is that there’s still, and fortunately it’s getting better, but there’s still this sort of stigma around mental/emotional health. I believe really that social isolation based on a diet is super detrimental, whether or not you already have a mental/emotional concern, but certainly if you suffer a little bit with depression or anxiety, and then you’re just constantly telling your friends or coworkers, “No, I can’t go out. Nope. I’m going home.” And then you sit at home. There’s nothing good about that. The advantage of the carb ups is that it allows you that moment to be with other humans, which, let’s face it, in this technological era, we’re all isolating naturally a little bit too, but that’s why we’re live here today with you. That’s cool.
You know, we’ve talked about stress already a lot, but isolation and feeling depressed and anxious will increase stress, will increase cortisol, will increase more fat storage. Then you gain weight. Then you feel more stressed. Then you feel more depressed. It’s just vicious cycle. I do think once you are totally stable on keto, it is a wonderful way to make keto sustainable.
Leanne Vogel: Yes. All the yeses. Also, too, if you guys have been on the book tour, if you’re like confused about this whole carb up thing and what Nina was saying about giving your body time to really build up the enzymatic processes, you need to be able to do carbs right, think of it as jumping back and forth. I’m going to demonstrate. You ready?
Over here, I’m burning glucose. Over here, I’m burning fat. When I’m in a glucose-fueled state, I can jump very slowly, not even jump. It’s more of like a, “I don’t want to burn fat. I don’t want to burn fat. Oh, I’m burning fat. I’m just going to stay here a while. I’m going to build strong muscles.” It’s actually like enzymatic processes, but we’ll pretend.
I’m going to get all strong. Now watch what I can do. I can jump back forth and I am more metabolically efficient and I can do that jumping back and forth a lot easier. That’s what we’re talking about.
That’s the benefit of carb ups. Once we are fat-adapted, our body knows how to burn fat. It’s really good at burning fat. It prefers burning fat so we can have that little bit of carbs. We don’t have to feel guilty. I heard a lot of people or saw a lot of comments on Instagram right now of like, “But I’m guilty. I’m a breastfeeding mom and I’m having more carbs and I just feel guilty.” That’s unfortunately that diet culture telling us that if we don’t do exactly what they tell us to do, it’s not going to work and I think that that’s, well, I know that that’s a load of bologna. The healthy maybe bologna? No, the unhealthy bologna. We don’t want the bologna.
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: Full of nitrates, processed, bleh.
Leanne Vogel: Gut health? Good luck with nitrates. That’s our episode today. We did it.
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: Amazing.
Leanne Vogel: That was fun. That was really fun. Thanks so much for joining us live for people that joined us live. Again, we’re so excited about Happy Keto Body. It’s going to launch in April. If you guys want to know more about Happy Keto Body, our 12-week program dedicated to keto women, beginners, veterans, women that don’t know much about keto, to really give you that solid understanding of how awesome keto is, how to make it work for you and give you those tools that you can really customize it for your body and have that ever-evolving wellness profile at your disposal all the time, you can go to HealthfulPursuit.com/member to become part of the group so that when it does go live, you’ll be one of the first to know about it before anyone else.
Some of the spots are limited depending on what you choose to go with. It’s really important that you get on that if you’re interested. We’ll include the link in the show notes today. It’s HealthfulPursuit.com/member. You’ll be one of the first to know when it goes live in April. Nina, any last thoughts?
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: I just want to say I’m super excited. I hope you guys can join us for this program. I think it is so all-encompassing of keto and beyond. We really, really tried to manage every possible medical condition and symptom and concern that may be troubling all of you. It was really great to meet you all.
Leanne Vogel: The show notes and full transcript for today’s episode can be found at HealthfulPursuit.com/podcast/e76.
Dr. Nina Lewis-Larsson: See you next time. Bye!
Leanne Vogel: That does it for another episode of The Keto Diet Podcast. Thanks for listening in. You can follow me on Instagram by searching Healthful Pursuit where you’ll find daily keto eats and other fun things. Check out all of my keto supportive programs, bundles, guides and other cool things over at HealthfulPursuit.com/shop. I’ll see you next Sunday. Bye.