Stool Testing – Diagnostic Solutions GI Map

By February 4, 2025

Transcript

Leanne Vogel [00:00:00]

When it comes to the inflammatory dysbiosis, some key things that you want to consider is digestive support. Okay, so like chewing really well, like encouraging slow eating, enzyme support. I would not bring in hydrochloric acid until you’re confirmed to not have H. Pylori anymore. I would correct your constipation, like really making sure that after meals you’re having bowel movements, ideally two bowel movements a day, minimum. 1.

Leanne Vogel [00:00:32]

Hello and welcome to the podcast. Today we get to chat about stool tests. Yeah, poo. I love, love, love the GI MAP from Diagnostic Solutions. It has upleveled my own health. When I was dealing with a ton of health issues, a practitioner friend of mine suggested a GI map. And at the time, I knew nothing about this situation, but I did it. I sent in my stool and we got some invaluable information about it.

Leanne Vogel [00:01:09]

Now, the GI MAP is an. An innovative, an innovative tool that measures gastrointestinal microbiota DNA from a single stool sample and uses incredible technology from a quantitative polyamorous chain reaction, AKA QPCR and real time PCR technology. And the GI MAP was designed to detect microbes that may be disturbing normal bacterial flora balance and contributing to illness, as well as indicators of indigestion, absorption, inflammation and immune function. So the GI MAP allows us to see the different dysbiotic patterns that we’re going to find in the gut. So if you’ve been told by a practitioner you have dysbiosis, well, okay, like, thanks. But that really doesn’t tell us anything because dysbiosis literally just means imbalance.

Leanne Vogel [00:02:04]

Like, I can tell you there’s a.

Leanne Vogel [00:02:06]

Lot of imbalance in my body. Can we get more specific than that? So what I love about the GI MAP is that we can determine based on the results of this test if we are dealing with an inflammatory situation, if we’re dealing with a digestive dysfunction dysbiotic pattern, or if we’re dealing with an insufficiency issue. Now, each of these are dysbiosis. They are imbalances in the gut microbiome, but each realm is addressed very differently. Like an individual with an inflammatory protocol is going to be the absolute opposite, opposite ends of the spectrum of an insufficiency issue. And oftentimes insufficiency will come with some inflammatory or digestive dysfunction. And so what all this means is if you don’t know what dysbiotic pattern that you have and you are like, I’m just going to do bone broth to help with my gut balance, there’s no amount of bone broth that’s going to fix an inflammatory pattern. And yes, it could benefit our secretory iga, which are the gut soldiers throughout our body, but it’s not going to do a whole lot broad scope.

Leanne Vogel [00:03:25]

So when I did the GI map for the first time, this is where, praise be to God, they found Entamoeba histolytica, which was a pathogenic parasite that was really, really, really affecting my liver and causing me to have crazy const Constipation, the most unreal constipation ever. And so the GI map quantifies bacteria, fungus, viruses and parasites using qpcr. And I love this test. It goes through pathogens and parasitic pathogens especially. We go into viral pathogens, then H. Pylori commensal or healthy bacteria. We have the opportunistic bacteria and yeast and viral imbalances. Then we have the parasites that aren’t going to cause, like, major issues, like the pathogenic ones, like what I have.

Leanne Vogel [00:04:14]

But there’s still a problem. We go through worms and some protozoa. It’s not the best test for determining parasite infections. And we’ve talked about this on the podcast previously, but it’s a great way to see what dysbiotic pattern that we have. And they most recently added a new marker called a sonophil activation protein, which I love for also understanding whether or not there could be a parasitic issue in conjunction with some of the other parasite patterns that we’ve talked about on the show. And then we go through the health markers, which I love in understanding how.

Leanne Vogel [00:04:46]

Our body’s processing fat.

Leanne Vogel [00:04:48]

If our imbalances in the gut are affecting our estrogen detoxification pathways and even how we detoxify toxins, it’s going to highlight our secretory iga, which are those gut soldiers that we really, really care about whether or not we’re sensitive to gluten. Now, this can go up or down depending on a ton of factors that we’re not going to get in today. And then also the inflammation throughout our body. Now, practitioners will sometimes add a marker called zonulin. I don’t find it overly helpful if we can determine whether or not you have digestive dysfunction, inflammatory or insufficiency dysbiosis, like, duh, your zonalin is going to be wonky. And so I find this addition to the report is more of a money grab than it is anything else. And so I don’t personally do zonulin for my clients. When I pull these reports for my clients, I never Include zonulin.

Leanne Vogel [00:05:42]

I don’t include it for myself. I find it to just be overkill and a waste of money. And it is quite expensive. And like, let’s just go with the things that are actually going to make a big difference. So once we know what dysbiotic pattern we have, whether it’s just one of them, like digestive dysfunction or inflammation or insufficiency, or if it’s a mixture of inflammatory with digestive or digestive with insufficiency, or even the most unfortunate one that is sometimes a challenge is when we have all of them, we have a little bit of insufficiency, we have a bunch of inflammation, we have digestive dysfunction. And so what this means, when we’re looking at digestive dysfunction, okay, the symptoms of this are going to be immediately after eating, we’re getting gas, bloating, abdominal discomfort, we’re full after eating, we’re having heartburn, gerds, constipation, diarrhea, sibo, food sensitivities, intolerances for the inflammatory dysbiosis we’re having usually an onset of symptoms hours after eating, including bloating, gas, constipation, waking up feeling unwell, chronic issues that just keep pouring on, we can deal with constipation, diarrhea, hair loss. This is a big thing with the inflammatory dysbiosis, poor nail growth, inflammation, including brain fog, fatigue, autoimmune conditions will sometimes fall into the inflammatory dysbiosis. When we’re dealing with the insufficiency, we’re more dealing with bloating, constipation, diarrhea, leaky gut, autoimmunity because the gut lining is just unhealthy and it’s inflamed and leads to a lot of autoimmune type reactions.

Leanne Vogel [00:07:25]

We’re usually going to be dealing with poor immune function, fatigue, headaches, acne. And so when, when the dysbiotic patterns are kind of all looped up with one another, meaning the individual has all of the things, it becomes that we need to take a very systematic approach to dealing with each individual side by side. So if we have low healthy bacteria or low commensal bacteria, we want to start there because we want to build up the gut before we start bringing in antimicrobials to start killing off all the things. And so I wanted to share today an audio snippet that I made for a client who had all of the three things going on. She has digestive dysfunction, a slight insufficiency and inflammatory dysbiosis. So I wanted to bring you into this session, you be a fly on the wall and hear what I have to share with this client in regards to her digestive dysfunction, slight insufficiency and inflammatory bacteria. So there were all of those three things happening at once. Now, this was a unique situation where this individual is a practitioner herself.

Leanne Vogel [00:08:35]

So I’m sharing a lot more details around the ins and outs of what she could do and how she could do them. I am going to recommend a couple of supplements throughout the audio. But again, this is very, very much geared to these specific patterns. And there are two things that I never guess on when it comes to functional medicine. The first is adrenals. If you think that you have hypoadrenals, there are two different patterns for hypo and how they are addressed are very different. Same with high adrenals, a hyper function, two very different patterns, and they’re going to react very differently to different supplements. Oftentimes what ends up happening is individuals that think that they’re hyper are actually hypo, and they end up taking supplements that drive them further hypo, and it causes issues.

Leanne Vogel [00:09:27]

So that’s the one thing I never guess on. You’re never going to find me. Suggest an adrenal supplement without testing. I just won’t do it. And the second thing is your gut. I do not want you walking away from today’s episode thinking, wow, I just heard this great episode on all these supplements that I could bring in to balance my gut. Do not do that. What I want to share with you is how beneficial testing can be for understanding your unique gut.

Leanne Vogel [00:09:54]

I have never duplicated one client protocol to another client ever, in the history of ever. Every individual protocol is so different because of all the factors that make them who they are. And so I’m sharing today’s audio of you being a fly on the wall, listening to what I have to share with this client to encourage you that if you are dealing with any of the symptoms that I shared and the dysbiotic patterns, and you just want to learn what the GI map could do for you and what this test could illuminate for you, great. Keep listening. If you’re the type to be like, oh, I’m going to get all these things and I’m just going to see how they work, please don’t listen to the rest of this episode. I don’t want you bringing in something that’s going to end up causing more imbalance. And so now that I’ve gone through all of that, you have a good understanding of what the GI map does, what we’re testing for. Let’s get into our conversation now.

Leanne Vogel [00:10:50]

Again, this is an audio recording that I made for my clients on the three dysbiotic patterns that she kind of.

Leanne Vogel [00:10:56]

Had side by side.

Leanne Vogel [00:10:57]

The digestive dysfunction, inflammatory insufficiency. We’re going through all of it. This was a one off session that I did with her as a practitioner to kind of give her some steps of how she could start addressing this on her own. So let’s get to today’s audio. Hey, my name is Leanne and I’m fascinated with helping women navigate how to eat, move and care for their bodies. This has taken me on a journey from vegan keto, high protein to everything in between. I’m a small town holistic nutritionist turned three time international bestselling author turned functional medicine practitioner offering telemedicine services around the globe to women looking to better their health and stop second guessing themselves. I’m here to teach you how to wade through the wellness noise to get to the good stuff that’ll help you achieve your goals.

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Leanne Vogel [00:12:39]

I’m going to basically talk to you like I would a practitioner and kind of just going through some of the facts, what we’re seeing, why we’re seeing them, kind of like putting things together. So when we initially connected we saw that there were symptoms of mitochondrial dysfunction, drainage pathways work being needed, blood sugar support being needed, intestinal support being needed, thyroid support, parasites symptoms, Sibo, Lyme toxicity, usually with the Lyme symptoms, they usually align with the parasite symptoms. And oftentimes how we know whether or not parasites are shifting or whether or not we know that Lyme rather symptoms are connected to parasite symptoms is when we start to address the parasites, the Lyme symptoms go down. And so when I say Lyme symptoms, it might not mean that you actually have a bacterial imbalance but that many of the symptoms that Lyme presents with will also be symptoms of parasites. And as we start to address the parasites, then the Lyme symptoms go down. It’s not uncommon too when we have intestinal symptoms, parasite symptoms, for there also to be SIBO symptoms. And so just working through that, it sounds like digestively things are going a lot better if I just take a look at your protocol and what we did here because we believe that liver was such a bulk of what you were experiencing and liver being so needed for you, we added in the KL support biotoxin binder will also do a little bit of liver work. The twice daily multi providing nutrients for liver work.

Leanne Vogel [00:14:07]

We brought in the CT minerals for biofilm work specifically and then the BCATP for energy. What I would do just kind of like looking at this is basically staying on this same structure where with the KL support you have some sort of liver support, bcatp, some sort of mitochondrial support, biotoxin binder, some sort of specifically GI binder. Especially looking at these GI MAP results, which I’m going to go through In a moment, CT Minerals, some sort of biofilm agent. Just looking through the GI map, which we’re going to get to in a moment. I do believe that some sort of biofilm work, whether it be Reishi or what else could be. I wouldn’t use any of the harder biofilms, but I think things like Reishi could be really, really helpful because they’re a little bit more light touch only because you’re not recovering or at the time when we did our onboarding you weren’t recovering from workouts well. So I think Reishi could be a really, really good one for you. N acetylcysteine, because it acts on the liver, could also be really helpful.

Leanne Vogel [00:15:13]

N acetylcysteine also works really well with H P Pylori, which we’re going to get to in the GI map and why that is relevant. So some sort of biofilm agent throughout the work that you do on your root causes over the next six months could be good at some point. Using something like Olive Rex could be helpful. This is an olive leaf combination. It does have antimicrobials. And I’m going to talk about in the GI MAP where I don’t think that you should be starting off with antimicrobials right away only because we do have a little bit of an insufficiency problem. But I could see Oliver X being really, really helpful like maybe four to six months down the road where you’re looking to balance out your gi, you’ve already been on antimicrobials for a time and you’re wanting to do some biofilm but also some killing. Okay, so Olive Rex works really helpful for blood sugar imbalances, Candida, Epstein Barr opening drainage.

Leanne Vogel [00:16:07]

And so Olive Rex could even replace a liver supplement at that five to six month range as a way to not only balance the gut, but also bring more liver support into your protocol. A liver support of some kind, mitochondrial support of some kind, a GI based binder, whether that be biotoxin binder or GI detox, some sort of binder that actively works within the GI tract is going to be helpful, especially as you start to add in antimicrobial agents some of the more sensitive binders, specifically with a GI focus, like ultra binder or the sensitive form of the ultra binder, the GI detox. I really like biotoxin binder. That’s more of a standard binder. I specifically love it for phase one liver detoxification. And just based on your symptoms and how we’re progressing, I would say that staying on the biotoxin binder would make a lot of sense, at least for like month one, two, three of a GI protocol. So that’s kind of like the base. Okay.

Leanne Vogel [00:17:09]

I would stay on the twice daily multi specifically for iodine, selenium, the zinc, the B6 on all the cofactors we need there based on the blood work. And then we get into the GI map. So I want to take you through the GI map what it looks like, what we’re seeing. So when we look at a GI map, we’re looking for three dysbiotic patterns. Okay. So we have insufficiency dysbiosis, digestive dysfunction, dysbiosis and inflammatory dysbiosis. And congratulations, you have all three. And so when it comes to this, you need to be very systematic with how you work through a GI map that has all three dysbiotic patterns.

Leanne Vogel [00:17:47]

Because the last thing you want to do is, for example, address inflammatory bacteria before you’ve addressed the fact that you have low bacteria, otherwise you’re going to have reactions. And so let’s just go through this and I’ll kind of explain, explain where we’re seeing these imbalances and then we’ll get into suggestions that I have on mapping this out for yourself. So page one, everything is DL. That’s what we like to see. How we know that we’re progressing poorly in a protocol, I would say specifically is if you start to see E. Coli show up just because a lot of the markers that you have specifically related to the insufficiency dysbiosis, a lot of these commensal or healthy bacterias protect us against E. Coli. And so because they’re lower, how we know that we’re not supporting it is when E.

Leanne Vogel [00:18:36]

Coli starts to show up. And so I would highly suggest, if anything like the biggest takeaway from this that you could action right away is bringing in a couple of probiotics. Okay. Just to help with the mucosal health. And I would say the second thing would be some sort of mucosal support. Maybe like GI revive could be helpful or maybe even just L glutamine, maybe mega mucosa or some sort of secretory support to just help the mucosal health initially. Another big, big, big, big piece of this is overall fiber intake. I know that you submitted your journal, so I’m just going to take a look at that.

Leanne Vogel [00:19:15]

It’s not showing up in the nutrients. Oh, okay. It wasn’t like submitted with the nutrients, so I don’t entirely know how much fiber you’re eating. It looks like you’re getting a pretty good amount just from the pictures with the lentils and things like that. Probably 30 grams. Some people require more than that or maybe even just a consistent amount of that. So sometimes working your way up from, let’s just pick a number, 30 grams, then to 35, then to 40, then to 45, then to 50 and just kind of finding that happy place. I find most people are between the 30 to 50 range and somewhere in there.

Leanne Vogel [00:19:50]

So you get to just determine what works best for you based on trial and error. Truly.

Leanne Vogel [00:19:58]

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Leanne Vogel [00:20:58]

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Leanne Vogel [00:22:02]

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Leanne Vogel [00:22:47]

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Leanne Vogel [00:23:27]

On to page number two, we have one of the first markers, h. Pylori, being 1.79 E3, which basically means digestive dysfunction, dysbiosis. Okay, so this in conjunction with sometimes what will happen is that staphylococcus and streptococcus on page three will be elevated. I’m not seeing that for you. So that’s really, really great. But when we do have a marker of H. Pylori. It basically means digestive dysfunction.

Leanne Vogel [00:23:56]

There’s no other way around it. Which basically just means that your body is not digesting food properly and there’s an issue. There’s usually a family interconnection. So oftentimes it’s being transmitted through kissing, sharing cups, bowls, those sorts of things, utensils, straws. And so with H. Pylori then it becomes like looking at symptoms like frequent burping, nausea, vomiting, acid reflux, heartburn, B12 needs trouble digesting animal proteins, presence of related like imbalances. Oftentimes it will come with low elastase, low flora and we are seeing some of that. And oftentimes digestive dysfunction requires us to work through liver.

Leanne Vogel [00:24:40]

And it always means reduced stomach acid like always. So some programs will teach that stomach acid or HCl supplementation should be taken while we have H. Pylori. I would disagree with that. I think oftentimes this will create an ongoing systemic infection because H. Pylori will just bury further into the stomach and cause more issues. Oftentimes dental hygiene is also part of it. On our list of to dos I did want to bring up bringing in dental side in at least once a day to start brushing your teeth with to help with this and just kind of seeing this take form I would say that that should take precedence over some of the other actions.

Leanne Vogel [00:25:21]

So just brushing your teeth for teeth rather first thing in the morning before you drink or eat anything with dental side and scraping your tongue, flossing, your just making sure that the mouth is really clean before you start drinking stuff because the mouth will start to build up bacterias and when we sleep and so drinking that’s just going to bring it down into the digestive system. The next piece that I wanted to cover was just the let me bring it back right commensal keystone bacteria on page two. So if you just take your eye and kind of go through the arrows you can see that most of them are more on the low side. And then the Bacteriophyla you’ll notice is all on the red. The Bacteroidetes and the firmicutes just basically meaning you don’t got a lot of the healthy guys. Now looking at the key ones that we really really need to support low bacteroids, this is an anti inflammatory, so when it’s low it means that it’s not working to support anti inflammation throughout the gut. So long term when this is low it’s going to cause more inflammation because bacteroidetes isn’t working for you to reduce the inflammation. Bifobacteria often related to low fiber intake.

Leanne Vogel [00:26:29]

Ascheria is often related to reduced mucosal health. Enterobacter is reduced mucosal health and then the low bf. So basically the bacteroidetes and the firmicutes just tell us overall there’s an insufficiency of bacteria. And so oftentimes with an insufficiency of bacteria, specifically when we’re dealing with also inflammatory dysbiosis and digestive dysfunction. Dysbiosis is we have to start with the insufficiency first because this affects intestinal and immune function. Usually it’s on its own, but sometimes it’s combined with inflammatory and digestive and it needs to be addressed first. Okay, so our healthy bacteria protects against infections, it moderates the intestinal permeability of the gut, it decreases inflammation. Symptoms that can be a sign of insufficiency dysbiosis include bloating, constipation, leaky gut autoimmunity, poor immune function, fatigue, headaches, acne.

Leanne Vogel [00:27:30]

So oftentimes this is happening due to glyphosate exposure, chemical exposure, poor diet, specifically low fiber diets or not enough fiber diets. Medications like accutane liver can also play a role in this as well as the digestive dysfunction dysbiosis. And so with insufficiency dysbiosis, it’s really characterized by a low level of the beneficial bacteria. Now it’s not super, super low level. So oftentimes in these cases where it’s like, it’s like a medium level, oftentimes I would suggest at least minimum 30 days of two different probiotics. Usually if it’s coupled with digestive dysfunctional, I’ll do an espolardi as well as a higher dose probiotic. And if you really wanted to make sure that all was well, you could do 60 days rotating your probiotic once. So staying on the espilardi, doing 30 days of one and then finishing it off, and then do 30 days of another before you start your antimicrobial agents.

Leanne Vogel [00:28:30]

When it comes to just overall diet support, plants, plants, more plants, all the plants, the plants, all the plants, all plants, like six cups of plants or produce per day and 30 different species of plants, like 30 different plants rotated throughout the week to just create that diversity. When it comes to just like phosphobacterium overall and the balance of the gut resistant starch, prebiotic fibers are going to be great. Cooking and cooling rice, cooking and cooling potatoes. Those are like the two easy, easy ones that won’t impact glucose as much as other options. What else do I have to share on that? I would definitely recommend an intestinal repair like GI detox or something to that effect. GI resolve, L glutamine, those sorts of things. Espulardi as one of the probiotic agents. And I would stay there for 30 to 60 days before you bring in any antimicrobials.

Leanne Vogel [00:29:28]

So we already talked about the H. Pylori piece there. That needs to be addressed, but as does the inflammatory dysbiosis. So we can see here on page three of the report that we have Pseudomonas present and Pseudomonas elevated as well as Citrobacter present. So Pseudomonas is going to react poorly or is triggered further by gluten, casein and eggs. So those are items that I would remove. Citrobacter, being present is often linked to JO joint pain. And both of these need to be addressed because that’s only going to drive more of the inflammatory process.

Leanne Vogel [00:30:02]

And then in addition to that, we have parasites which can kind of fall more in the digestive dysfunction realm than the inflammatory realm. But both of these are protozoa, and both of these are going to be likely due to fecal contamination of food or water. And so being really, really on top of the foods that you’re eating, the water you’re drinking, making sure that it’s filtered, and when you’re traveling, being really cognizant of that, I would say always, always when you’re traveling, especially to places like Mexico, Dominican, those sorts of places on a cruise ship, always taking antiparasitics once you’re past that 30 to 60 day mark where you’re bringing in probiotics. What else do I have to say about that? Yeah, I think that’s about it. When it comes to the inflammatory dysbiosis, some key things that you want to consider is digestive support. Okay, so like chewing really well, like encouraging slow eating, enzyme support. I would not bring in hydrochloric acid until you’re confirmed to not have H. Pylori anymore.

Leanne Vogel [00:31:09]

I would correct your constipation, like really making sure that after meals you’re having bowel movements, ideally two bowel movements a day, minimum one. Because there is a history of SIBO symptoms. I would assume that SIBO would probably need to be addressed in your second protocol after you address the insufficiency dysbiosis. So kind of the flow of things, as I would do, the insufficiency first for 30 to 60 days, like minimum 30 days. I think you should be fine at the 30 day mark, then start to address SIBO, H. Pylori, parasites and inflammation kind of all at the same time. For sibo, I really like prokinetic agents. There are a couple that you can choose from, but prokinetics work pretty good specifically related to sibo.

Leanne Vogel [00:31:59]

Ginger can also work really, really well as a way to get your bowel movements going and always checking for exposure to those pathogens. And environment also plays a huge role specifically with the inflammatory dysbiosis. So a lot of times people will just like bring in all the antimicrobials and then like nothing changes. And it’s because they have house smelly things all throughout their house. They’re cleaning with total trash cleaning products. And so you kind of have to like pick away at this over time. And you’re learning this stuff in school anyway. When it comes to the inflammatory dysbiosis, many of the antimicrobials that we would use for inflammation, we’re also going to use for hydro pylori and parasites and sibo.

Leanne Vogel [00:32:40]

But we want to be more strategic with this because we’re coming off the rails or like the coattails of a insufficiency issue. And so we don’t want to put too much stress on the body initially or too much stress on the gut because the insufficiency or those healthy bacterias are like slowly making their way up. We don’t just want to then hit it with something like, I don’t know, dysbiocide at 3 caps twice daily and just annihilate the gut. I would take more of a slow approach, like something like Biocidin, a couple of drops and just see how you do because that’s going to address some of the H. Pylori as well as the parasites. I would choose two antimicrobial agents for the first month of your protocol after your insufficiency work. And then if that’s going really well, I would add in a third. And so I definitely think that inflammation needs to be addressed.

Leanne Vogel [00:33:38]

H. Pylori needs to be addressed. I think especially as it relates to parasites. The key is like constantly having them in the back of your mind as you’re going through everything else, because it does take such a long time. So when it comes to Protozoa, using Celcor, Pair 1, 2, 3, 4 and Isbab are the way to go generally. And so I’ll just kind of fold those in understanding that like Para 4 will also address H. Pylori, though it can cause anxiety in some people, is bab will also address some of the inflammatory dysbiosis. Pair three will address any sort of like yeast candida issue which we didn’t see present on your GI map.

Leanne Vogel [00:34:19]

So I would more lean toward like para one as being like a great introductory antiparasitic. Pair two being another good one. Pair four I would wait on isbab. I would wait on a little bit and just kind of combining again two antimicrobials to start, then working to three. And I would kind of keep consistent with the three antimicrobials for like a minimum of four months addressing SIBO parasites and H. Pylori kind of altogether. And then if things are really starting to feel great, I would go off of those antimicrobial agents, test just an H. Pylori only GI map, see whether or not the H.

Leanne Vogel [00:35:01]

Pylori is gone, and if it is, start up with your HCL to just really start to bring things in. You might notice at that point that you have to bring in more antimicrobial agents when it comes to inflammatory dysbiosis as well as digestive dysfunction when it’s coupled with parasites. Sometimes these parasites can take far longer than we think. And if the H. Pylori on your retest after like 4ish months of being on antimicrobials hasn’t moved or it’s gone up, usually that’s a big sign to me that either we’re not supporting the digestive dysfunction enough in just like supporting the liver chewing, not stressful environment when we’re eating and just like really staying honed in on taking our time with food, smelling food, those sorts of things, or that the H. Pylori has roots and parasites and until we kill off those parasites we’re going to have some issues.

Leanne Vogel [00:36:02]

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Leanne Vogel [00:37:29]

The last little bit of your GI map page for the intestinal health markers just kind of go through some of the digestion GI markers, immune response and inflammation. I was happy to see that your calprotectin or inflammation was as low as it was. Just seeing like the inflammatory dysbiosis and everything else going on, your secretory IGA doesn’t look too bad. And what oftentimes happens with the secretory IGA is it’ll actually be driven up by Citrobacter. So I wouldn’t trust a quote unquote regular secretory iga. When we have Citrobacter, when we have digestive dysfunction dysbiosis, or H. Pylori, when we have inflammatory dysbiosis, specifically the Pseudomonas Citrobacter, all of that is going to affect or negatively affect the secretory iga. But in the case of the Citrobacter, it can actually drive up the secretory IGA so it looks normal when it’s not.

Leanne Vogel [00:38:24]

And why secretory IGA is so, so, so incredibly important is because they’re the gut soldiers. If you are dealing with an issue like an infection, we need those gut soldiers to be on point and they’re really that first line of defense in response to antigens. So to see what would normally be a low secretory IGA is elevated. Tells me that your body’s like, okay, I’m protecting myself. Sometimes this can be due to chronic dysbiosis, acute infections, acute stress, food sensitivities. So we need to address the GI infections, address any food sensitivities, bring in general immune support. That’s why I was saying some sort of GI support, whether it be GI revive or L glutamine or those sorts of things and parasites, oftentimes a secretory IGA should be low, but it’s elevated. The two things I think are is there citrobacter presence and are present rather and are there parasites? And so I hope that gives you like a flow of thought here for you so you can just kind of understand what your GI map is telling you and then come up with that protocol that fits best for where you’re at right now.

Leanne Vogel [00:39:37]

So I hope that helps. Okay, bye.

Leanne Vogel [00:39:40]

I hope you enjoyed our time chatting about these dysbiotic patterns and what the GI map can do for you. If you have any questions about the content that I shared today, probably the best way to reach out to me is over Instagram at Leanne Vogel. If you don’t have Instagram but you still want to chat, you can go to healthful pursuit.com/contact and ask me a question. I check my emails once every week, sometimes two depending on what’s going on in clinic. So please bear with me as I just focus on my clients day in and day out. Okay, we will see you back here next week for another episode. Bye. Thanks for listening to the Helpful Pursuit Podcast Podcast.

Leanne Vogel [00:40:25]

Join us next Tuesday for another episode of the show. If you’re looking for free resources, there are a couple places you can go. The first to my blog, healthfulpursuit.com where you’re going to find loads of recipes. The second is a free parasite protocol that I’ve put together for you that outlines symptoms, testing and resources to determine whether or not you have a parasite, plus a full protocol to follow to eradicate them from your life if you need to. That’s available available at healthfulpursuit.com parasites and last but certainly not least, a full list of blood work markers to ask your doctor for so that you can get a full picture of your health. You can grab that free resource by going to healthfulpursuit.com labs the helpful pursuit Podcast, including show notes and links, provides information in respect to healthy living recipes, nutrition and diet and is intended for informational purposes only. The information provided is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment, nor is it to be construed as such. We cannot guarantee that the information provided on the Healthful Pursuit Podcast reflects the most up to date medical research.

Leanne Vogel [00:41:31]

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